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Unbreakable Spirit: Terry Tucker's Journey Through Adversity and Triumph"

• Paul G Newton / Andrea / Terry Tucker • Season 2 • Episode 34

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Today we dive deep into the extraordinary journey of Terry Tucker and his battle with a rare form of cancer, Acral Lentiginous Melanoma. Join us as we explore Terry's incredible story of reinvention and resilience in the face of adversity, his 4 Truths, and the ten principles from his book, Sustainable Excellence. Get ready to be inspired, learn how to harness your inner strength, and discover the keys to leading an uncommon and extraordinary life.

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Paul G Newton:

We never did pick a song. Hmm. Oh yeah. Is that a vocals in it? Do you remember? I don't think so. I can't fast forward, unfortunately. Let's let it play for a second. That's an incorrect song. All right. I'm stopping this recording and I'm stopping this recording. Are you still there, Terry?

Terry Tucker:

I'm still here.

Paul G Newton:

still working. Um, let me go to my song archive here. We never picked the song. We're just behind.

Terry Tucker:

That's okay. It's Saturday

Paul G Newton:

I know. to speed it up, man. It's our fault.

Terry Tucker:

Take your time.

Paul G Newton:

because I do it live. Sometimes if we forget something, we're screwed. we don't broadcast live. It's all recorded. So that's the good news.

Andrea:

I don't know how people do it live. I mean, you really gotta like know to improv and

Paul G Newton:

we do. We do it live. I don't cut anything. Well, that's true. We do, don't we? Yeah. So you win. You're see, I keep telling her she's a natural at this and she tells me it's I'm full of crap. And I'm like, no, no, no. You're absolutely natural at this.

Terry Tucker:

You have that great relationship, right?

Paul G Newton:

Yeah. Well, I suppose, I mean, she's kind of mad at me this morning. No. my pauses? Casts? Mm. I hate this. There's pause. Casts. Pauses. Cast has a few audio files in it. What is this? I don't, I don't dislike that. Oh, that's us. Nevermind There's no Slenderman. We can use that music again too. Creepy Shamanism. We have a bunch of songs in there. Whoa. It was perfect for becoming a shaman. You,

Andrea:

you should listen to that when we talk about spirit animals. And

Paul G Newton:

my spirit animal is a Domino's pizza box.

Andrea:

I said mine was a cockroach cuz I hate those fuckers because he said sometimes your spirit animal something you don't like. I'm like, mine will be probably a cockroach

Paul G Newton:

I'm just gonna use this one screw, road. Road, road

Andrea:

road. He's gonna let the music play a little bit and he's gonna say an intro and then we're gonna walk in by introducing you and saying How's it going? Or that kind of thing. Yeah, just

Paul G Newton:

so you know, he'll catch it. It'll be obvious. So I do another podcast called Paul G's Corner cuz I had all these people lined up to do, uh, these shows and, but we had almost 200 other people asking to be on the program.

Terry Tucker:

Wow.

Paul G Newton:

like, well, I can't, I can't accommodate 200 people. I mean we, there's only 365 days in a year. Yeah. And we only do one a week. Um,

Andrea:

plus a lot of them were kind of the same thing too.

Paul G Newton:

Yeah. It's a lot of, we want to sell our stuff. Can you do that? It's like, no,

Andrea:

are can help you with the business or that kind of stuff. Yeah. And I just kinda like, I don't really know what to ask questions about

Paul G Newton:

that. Andrea doesn't run a business? No. She makes the hospital pay for everything.

Terry Tucker:

There you go.

Andrea:

I hope the hospital get money.

Paul G Newton:

Okay. Got it. All right. I don't know what it's gonna sound like, but what the hell? Let's wing it. Okay. All right. Control. All beat home. Record. Record. All right, so I'm gonna cut your mic whenever we're doing this so we won't be able to hear you.

Terry Tucker:

Okay.

Paul G Newton:

right. So I'm cutting your mic now. I'm gonna bring it back up when we're out of the intro. That's the wrong one. Shit. A giant ton of breaks. God damn it. I'm a loser sometimes. Oh, what? What No, I don't wanna record. Stop bastard. I put the wrong song in there is what I did. It was my fault. Cause I, I, there's two in here. Let's try this one. Fuck. You would think by listening to me, I might be a professional. I guess not today. It's

Andrea:

only as good as the technology. I'll let you some

Paul G Newton:

days. It's true. Are you not gonna take it? You? Sorry. Son of a bitch. Don tell you, sorry. On

Andrea:

how people did this

Paul G Newton:

before computers. It was all like 75 appliances that you had to do. Punch this, punch that, punch this, punch that. Oh geez. Yeah, he was bad. That's the one I thought I had loaded. It's still not. Oh, what the hell? I don't know. I'm gonna try the other one and then I'm just going to stop being in knucklehead and just go on. We just forgot to pick the music up or down. Kind of wishy washy on then. It's weird. I knew that one instead. Sorry, but sorry dude. I'm like

Terry Tucker:

okay. You're fine.

Paul G Newton:

big time. Oh, and his audio's gone again. I'm glad we waited. Actually, can you hear me?

Terry Tucker:

I can hear you.

Paul G Newton:

We can't hear you.

Terry Tucker:

Did you, did you mute my audio? Like you said you were gonna do.

Paul G Newton:

that was, it's, it's, yes, that's it. See, I told you, if it, normally, normally we, we, we, you know, we do it professionally. It's not like I do this for a living or anything. Just saying All right. Are you ready? Record. Record. Rico. Cut your, I cut your mic, by the way. Are we

Andrea:

recording? Yes,

Paul G Newton:

we're recording. Red buttons on, on, I know it's not on. Okay. Oh, good job. Good job. I told you to remind me of that. Yeah, you, you could have done it nicer though. Okay. could have said, Paul hit record on the thing instead of going, you stro shot happened. You recorded that. Let's go. All right. You ready? Yes. Go. All right. I'm being an asshole. I'm not an asshole. I'm ans I know we can discuss it in a minute. Okay. Yeah. Three, two. It's so slow. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna fade it in in post. This is driving me nuts. Today we have an individual who has reinvented themselves time and again over the course of their professional career, but their greatest transformation began with a diagnosis of a rare, aggressive cancer. As he fought this relentless disease, he underwent surgeries, treatments, and even amputation. But through it all, he refused to give up. Instead of developing a set of, instead, he developed this, I, I wanna read this eventually. Instead, he developed a set of principles that guided him through his struggles, reminding him to control his mind, embrace that discomfort, and leave a legacy of kindness. I guess it music fits after all, doesn't it? Mm-hmm., yeah, and most importantly, never, ever giving up. Ah, Chad, g p wrote 500 words for this opening, but I'm now going to stop by going to the very last paragraph and say, so join us as we sit down with this heroic individual and learn how they turned, how he turned his path. And pain and adversity into a source of strength and inspiration. His story reminds us that even, even in the darkest of times, we all have to answer the power to reinvent ourselves, overcome our obstacles, and emerge Victoria's, sorry, I couldn't nail it. Terry, how are you doing He's probably going, what the hell?

Andrea:

The last thing made me think of Rocky.

Terry Tucker:

Paul, Andrea, I, I feel like I should like, you know, go into a phone booth and emerge with a, you know, a tape a big or something like that. You know,

Paul G Newton:

Superman logo.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah, exactly. My.

Paul G Newton:

you. used chat GDP to write this stuff and I said, make it dramatic. And it's like, okay. I said, go off the Star Wars heroes journey to write this intro. Really? Is that what told us? Okay. That's what I told it. And so it wrote like a dissertation of like 500 words, which I thought I could get through, but when you added the slow ass music that we accidentally picked cuz I forgot to pick the music be found beforehand. It made everything so cryptic and slow with Yeah. And it drove me nuts. So I just had to make fun of it at the end.

Andrea:

Well the, your voice sounded like something outta the movies. Like that one guy that always narrated all the movies with that really dark, kind of like in a

Paul G Newton:

world, well SpaghettiOs rule, the world kinda guy. Hey, he's got an

Andrea:

awesome boy. So whoever he is,

Paul G Newton:

So, oh my gosh. So you have an interesting story, Mr. Terry.

Terry Tucker:

I do, it's, um, yeah. Uh, how far you want to go back

Paul G Newton:

I will. Hey, well, I know Andrea is really inter used to be a SWAT team member, right?

Terry Tucker:

I was, I was a SWAT team. Hostage, negotiator?

Paul G Newton:

Oh, I know. Andrea has all kinds of questions about that

Andrea:

kind of stuff, I guess. Okay. I, I'm a nurse. We all know this on the podcast and you know, we always get the patients after the fact that come in. But a SWAT team, people, I don't know if I could have the patience for that. I'd be like, dude, either hand us over or girl, hand us over the person or we're gonna shoot you. Let's, let's, let's just stop

Paul G Newton:

the crap . I, I wouldn't see and she's nicer than me cuz that'd be like, Sniper one. Are you ready? Yeah. Just fucking shoot that son of a bitch and let's go home.

Andrea:

I mean, cause the only experience is obviously the movies and that's not how reality

Paul G Newton:

is. I'm sure. So he'll be like, Andrew is making pizza and I want to go So

Andrea:

how did you have such patience for that? Because that's gotta be like mind grueling to sit there and be like, okay, the dude wants 12 pepperoni pizzas before he gives us a hostage. I mean, what do you like? Draw the line on Kinda giving in a little bit and then also not like completely being bullied.

Terry Tucker:

Well, it, it, it, it's kind of interesting because from my perspective, you know, SWAT's usually divided up into two teams. So you've got the, the tactical team, which are the, the men and the women with all the, the guns and the toys and all that kind of stuff. And then you got the negotiators. The problem is the tactical team has to surround the, the building. And if it's raining or if it's snowing or it's, I mean, they're not, now we on the other hand are in the usually mobile home with the bathroom and the water and the food. So for us, being impatient, not a problem whatsoever. Being patient is very good, very easy. We can do that. But I mean, part of it is what we, we used to do what we call tactical empathy. So we're trying to understand where the person's coming from, but not agree with them. So, I mean, if you're, if you're going after a homicide suspect that's killed three people, and you know, he did. And you know, it's like, look, help me understand where you're coming from. I'm not agreeing with what you did was right. But it's a little bit more of, we, we never gave anything without getting something. So if you wanted a pizza, you were giving us something big like a hostage or you know,

Paul G Newton:

I, I would be, you know, I'd be like, you know, I, I, I've got a, I've got some for you and I, it, it's kind of a surprise and, but release the hostage first and you will get your surprise and then be like, oh, really? I say, yeah, I promise. I promise it's gonna be awesome. They're gonna be like, okay. They released the hostage. And then I'd be like, so what we're gonna do is we're gonna send you a 50 caliber bull, 50 caliber bullet shot from this rifle about a half mile away with this dude to the thermal scope. Merry Christmas

Terry Tucker:

Speaking of 50 Cal, I'll give you a quick story. I, I had a, a very good friend of mine who, who is a sniper who, uh, about a year ago stopped a rolling domestic violence that was, that was in a, a semi-truck. He put two 50 caliber rounds right through the engine block of the, of a, of a semi.

Paul G Newton:

that's what those, that's what those guns are made for actually. Wow. It's, it's the original impetus behind a 50 caliber sniper rifle was not to annihilate the flesh and bone of somebody. It hits, gets hit with the 50 cal. It's, it was actually to blow the engines out of vehicles. That's exactly why it was invented.

Andrea:

Makes sense. But have you ever had like a, a pretty much them ask for like a demand that you absolutely cannot meet? Like, I don't know, I want the president over there

Paul G Newton:

right now or, well, like in that one movie we watched that wanted naked pictures of Be Arthur, what show was that?

Terry Tucker:

Yeah, I missed that movie.

Paul G Newton:

I'm trying to, it's called Airheads.

Andrea:

Oh, Airheads, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. But be,

Paul G Newton:

we are the guy and then, what's his name? The record exec walks in and looks at the pictures. He goes, be Arthur. Nice. Like, how the fuck did they get that?

Andrea:

Because it makes me think like, you know, like I want a thousand dollars or I want the president on my doorstep. Or, I mean, you can't always

Paul G Newton:

give that stuff. All you gotta do is hire an impersonator.

Terry Tucker:

I mean, people, people would say, look, I'll let the hostage go, or, or I'll come out, but you gotta promise me I'm not going to jail. And we would,

Paul G Newton:

gonna happen.

Terry Tucker:

we would've to say, sorry. I, I mean, we never lied to people. So, I mean, if like somebody said something ridiculous, like, gimme the present, we'd have, we're not doing that. You know, and then we try to deflect the conversation in, into something that was more reasonable that, uh, maybe we could do. So,

Paul G Newton:

you know, a lot of those lessons were, were, were learned from the, uh, branched Vince.

Terry Tucker:

Yes, yes. We, we actually trained with the FBI's host negotiation team, so

Paul G Newton:

screwed up so bad

Terry Tucker:

yeah.

Paul G Newton:

that David Kish. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, if the, they burned down their facility. Everybody says, some of the conspiracy theorists say that the FBI burned it down cause they were tired of doing, dealing with them. I doubt that. I don't really see the FBI doing that. Ruby Ridge was another one that they totally screwed up on. And I mean, how much did, did they walk you through those cases whenever you did that?

Terry Tucker:

I mean, some of the things they talked about with, with the Kresh thing was, I, I mean, it was, you had the atf, you had the fbi, you, you had too many government. A I mean, I used to say too many chiefs, not enough Indians. You know, there were too many, yeah. There were too many people that were, you know, I've gotta have the last say or No, we're gonna do it this, so I know we, we learned it this way. And, and if you don't train. It, it's awful hard to do a tactical operation like that when you've got one group that does this and another group that does that. So I think they just learned that they needed to kind of come together and, and if we're gonna, we're gonna work together, we're gonna have to train together. And that was

Paul G Newton:

talk, at least talk to the other guy. I know that there's a F B I true on c Bs, I think it is. And they interviewed the two negotiators from David Kres, uh, Waco incident. And they were like, yeah, they had us sequestered like a half mile away. And all the guys on the ground were up there and we never talked to those guys

Terry Tucker:

yeah,

Paul G Newton:

and wow, it's, that's a mistake. And then they played all the music and they flashed lights at 'em and stuff. It's like, may have worked on, on what's his face? Noriega, but it didn't work on the branch. All, it just piss 'em off more.

Terry Tucker:

yeah. Put gas in there, you know, pump gas in with tanks and

Paul G Newton:

Well that one woman, she jumped off the second floor. I was watching this documentary, I just literally just watched the other day and she jumped off the second floor and then ran back in the building and died.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah.

Paul G Newton:

crazy. But they were, you know, they were brainwashed by by, you know, by

Terry Tucker:

they were,

Paul G Newton:

Extreme. Well,

Andrea:

they got in trouble for a lot of sexual abuse of the children.

Paul G Newton:

The only reason they were there is because they bought too much ammo and they got on the uh, ATS radar. Well,

Andrea:

obviously, rightfully so. It sounds like,

Paul G Newton:

I mean, they weren't gonna attack anyone, I don't think. They were just, and they didn't really shoot back that much. It's not like they probably had most of that ammo still sitting there and they never fired it. Mm.

Terry Tucker:

well, that, that's what, that's what kicked it off. You know, they, the, the government tried to go in through the windows and stuff and, you know, they're like, no, no, no, we're gonna, we're gonna shoot you. And there are several agents that. You know, killed or wounded. Yeah. And it is like, nope, sorry. You don't, you know, once you piss the government off like that, you're, you're in trouble.

Paul G Newton:

Yeah. It's over. They're not, I mean, they, they have enough bodies

Terry Tucker:

we have, we have everything. We,

Paul G Newton:

they did have a tank. They, they, they fixed it up to pour, tear gas into the house, but because they cut the electricity, all the windows were open. So nobody thought to think that if you take this truck with tear gas, this tank with tear gas, try to fill it up, that all the windows are open. It's not gonna stay in the.

Andrea:

It's a tear gas though. I don't know how it would affect kids. They had some babies in there. They

Paul G Newton:

had 34 children in that place. I know. They didn't get home. They got 19 of 'em out and the rest died. Yeah. Yeah. And I could be wrong with my numbers. I'm just, I just watched the documentary so it's a little fresh, but I don't, I don't know exactly. Hmm. You never ran across anything like that, did you? Terry

Terry Tucker:

no, no. It, we, that was, you know, the, the, the Fed had their thing and, and, and I mean, we. Like I said, we'd go after a homicide suspect. We'd go after drunk or high people that, you know, ended up in a building, took a hostage. I, I'll give you a funny story. I had a, I had a guy one time, uh, I, I got to the scene fairly early and, and the uniform officers had him in the house and I said, what's the deal? He's like, he's drunk. He took his wife hostage, he's in the house, barricaded. Did you have him on the phone? Said, yeah, so I, I, I talk to him and usually it would be hours before we would talk about coming out and he . I said to him, I just had a feeling with this guy. I'm like, what would it take for you to come out? There was this long pause and he said, gimme a beer. I said, what? I said, if, if I gave you a beer, do I have your word that you would come out? He said, do I have your word? I could drink. I said, yeah, you have my word. So I gave one of the officers five bucks and said, get down, buy a beer tactical team. Put it on the front porch. I called him back, I said, your beer's on the front porch, but you don't get it till your wife comes out. You come out with your hands up. He said, do I still have your word? I can drink it. I said, you have my word. All of a sudden, the front door flies open. Here comes his wife here. He comes with his hands up. We handcuff him, let him drink his beer off the jelly.

Paul G Newton:

Oh my gosh. Thanks for the beer. You can have her. She's the one that caused all this. Anyway.

Andrea:

I guess that's like the, one of the scariest things I think for me as a person, as a female is to be in the like, hostage type situation. Have you

Paul G Newton:

ever run into a, a situation where a female was the hostage, or not the hostage, but the, the perpetrator? Yeah.

Terry Tucker:

Um,

Andrea:

always make it out to be like men and women's, a victim. I'm sure there's some women out there that can intimidate really

Terry Tucker:

sure there are. I, I, I mean, we've had, we've had kids. We had a, I remember we had a 15 year old kid one time. And, you know, all our training we're put in every, and this kid just will not come out. He, he doesn't have a hostage, he's just barricaded. And so we finally called the time out and said, look, we're gonna, we're gonna call you back. And we got together, we're like, what, what do you think we should do? And finally, somebody is like, he's a kid. Let's, he's 15 years old. Let's scare him. So we, we we're the tactical team, break a window and throw in a, a flash bang device that it just, you know, loud sound and a bright light. And literally within 10 minutes he was out. So it.

Paul G Newton:

reality hit. And it's like, uh, you know what?

Andrea:

I think I'm in trouble.

Paul G Newton:

So you have a, a pretty interesting journey as well with what you've been doing. I mean, how, where you've gotten to today. Um, and, you know, you didn't step in a landmine and and lose limb. So what happened?

Terry Tucker:

So 2012, so it's been almost 11 years now. Uh, I was coaching girls high school basketball. I had a callous

Paul G Newton:

you got, uh, you got attacked by a, a girl's high school basketball team and they de and they took your limb

Terry Tucker:

I no

Paul G Newton:

I couldn't help it.

Terry Tucker:

That's, it's okay. My daughter was on that team, so, yeah, I,

Paul G Newton:

explains the whole limb thing at that point.

Terry Tucker:

exactly.

Paul G Newton:

drive the car this weekend. Oh yeah. Neither can you. you. don't have a foot no more

Terry Tucker:

Well, it's my left leg so I can still drive. So,

Paul G Newton:

But if you, if you were driving the standard like I do, you'd just be outta look.

Terry Tucker:

That's right. I would, or I just burn out the clutch. Either way, it would, either way it would work, . But, uh, basically I had a callous break open on the bottom of my foot, right below my third toe. Initially didn't think much of it, uh, but after a few weeks of a non-healing, you know, went to see a podiatrist friend of mine took an x-ray, said, I think he got a cyst in there, cut the cyst out, and then sent it off to pathology. Then two weeks later, I get a call from him and he says, you know, Terry, I'm really, I don't know how to tell this to you, but I've been a doctor for 25 years. I have never seen this form of cancer. You have a rare form of melanoma that most of us think of, you know, too much exposure to the sun. This has nothing to do with that. That you have rare, this rare form of melanoma that appears on the bottom of the feet in the palms of the hands, and because of that melanoma, I recommend you go to MD Anderson Cancer Center, which is probably the., the best cancer center in the world, in all honesty. And that started my, you know, fiasco of surgeries. And I was on the drug interferon for five years because

Paul G Newton:

for five years.

Terry Tucker:

five years, because Interf or um, melanoma was a death sentence. They had absolutely nothing in 2012 to, to do anything with it.

Paul G Newton:

Interferon's, what they use to keep you from giving up your, I, you know, your transplants, right?

Andrea:

Oh God, I'd have to look it up.

Terry Tucker:

I don't, I don't, no, it's not, it's not an anti-rejection drug. Um,

Andrea:

I've heard of inter interferon, but I can't, I'm not a, I'm not a cancer nurse. Yeah. I'm, I know she's a cardiac nurse. I know the name, but I'm not too familiar with the

Paul G Newton:

medication myself. She knows how to stop your heart with just one finger. I'm not

Andrea:

the lady off of kill Bill That would be

Paul G Newton:

scary. sorry.

Andrea:

God bless. But MD Anderson, I've, they've got place in, um, gosh, what Texas, I think, or they're, all over the place,

Terry Tucker:

they're headquartered in, in Houston it's, it's, it's the University of Texas at MD Anderson. So it's their, it's the University of Is hospital there. But yes, they have relationships with all, all kinds of hospitals around the United States, and I mean, with the internet and stuff, I mean, they can publish all their data and, and doctors all over the world can, can get access to their, to their data. So yeah. So they put me on interferon for five years. The, the wonderful side effects of interferon where that, it gave me severe flu-like

Paul G Newton:

Uh, yeah. Oh God. He had the flu for five years.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah. Every week for five years. So imagine having,

Paul G Newton:

last? One or two days.

Terry Tucker:

uh, three days,

Paul G Newton:

God.

Andrea:

Oh man. I guess by that point you're like, okay, I got my medication. I'm gonna feel like shit

Paul G Newton:

for three days. It's a really great way to lose weight though.

Terry Tucker:

It was, you know, I, as a fact, I got, I got, I lost so much weight. There was a point where I was pretty sure I could go hang gliding on a Dorito. So

Paul G Newton:

Oh wow. three days. I mean, you don't eat for three days a week, you're gonna lose weight. Yeah.

Terry Tucker:

I did, I lost a ton of weight.

Paul G Newton:

Gosh. All the muscles gone too though, unfortunately.

Terry Tucker:

yeah, I, I mean, I was, you know, you're, I was 90 degrees out. I was wearing a fleece, you know, I'm cold. You know, all the, all, all the, we, we've all

Paul G Newton:

menopausal women, they're

Terry Tucker:

yes, exactly.

Paul G Newton:

They wear a, a fleece

Terry Tucker:

my voice changed and

Paul G Newton:

I didn't get attacked on by Andrea on that so that you know that It's somewhat true. It is somewhat true.

Andrea:

mine was cuz of cancer and I had to have everything, you know, removed and stuff. But, uh,

Paul G Newton:

I'd run hot. I can't imagine being cold. I'm always sweating. There'd be two degrees outside and I'm sweating my ass off. Well,

Andrea:

even for renal patients, they having to go on dialysis. I used to always sit, there's a nurse going, it's 95 degrees. Why are they coming out wearing sweaters? I get it when I was working as a nurse there, not because the room's cold, but because you know,

Terry Tucker:

Yeah, it's your

Andrea:

does not go back in the same temperature as it is coming out.

Paul G Newton:

It's a good drink. No, that's, it

Andrea:

opens up the capillaries. That's whole purpose of them being there is cuz they can only have a liter of fluid today

Paul G Newton:

So let's not, no, I'm not taking, I'm not saying drink Gatorade or, or Coke. I'm saying you know, you can get some 200 proof moonshine warm you up.

Andrea:

These are people that don't pee so they really don't need that

Paul G Newton:

Well they just last longer. My god,

Andrea:

this makes my job as a child nurse harder. I did dialysis in cardiology nursing for a long, long time. So, uh, cancer was something I have never really got a chance to ever cancer's devastating, do something with. But I always was kind of curious cuz heart

Paul G Newton:

attacks and stuff are like pretty quick. Kidneys aren't that quick, but they're still fairly quick compared to cancer. Yeah, cancer can take 10 years to kill you. It's

Andrea:

terrible. So how long have you been in re Go ahead.

Terry Tucker:

go, no, I was gonna say, when, when I was diagnosed, they, they said, you will not live five years. And it's been 11 years. And, and I always, I, I literally, I get a letter every year from the tumor board at MD Anderson that says, circle one of these three. You're alive with cancer, you're alive without cancer, or you're dead. And so I, I keep hanging around cuz I can't circle number three. I haven't figured that out yet. So,

Paul G Newton:

would totally circle, undead. Send it back. No. And sign and sign it. You know, I would see dead. Thanks for asking. PS. Andrea: I know the tumor board registry question. Damn. Question to ask. Are you dead? No, I'm, I'm, I'm a ghost signing this paper here. It's

Andrea:

for data research. It's, it's important that you fill it How can somebody who's dead fill it out? I agree with you on that. When they're dead, you cannot, you're, you're, you know,

Terry Tucker:

Your family

Andrea:

your family does. Yeah. What

Paul G Newton:

if your family hates you and they're glad you're.

Terry Tucker:

Well then they write that right next to it. There's a little space.

Paul G Newton:

I'm glad Grandma's gone. That son

Terry Tucker:

I just inherited 5 million, so Yeah.

Paul G Newton:

Well, wow. I mean,

Andrea:

to come back from that, I bet it kind of changes your whole entire perspective on life and things in general.

Terry Tucker:

Uh, yeah. Unfortunately I haven't come back for, from it. I, I still have tumors in my lungs. As a matter of fact, I just finished another round of treatment yesterday. Um, . Yeah. So I, uh, I get treated every week for a whole week of, with a clinical trial drug that a again, you know, talk about miracles, that it does nothing to the cancer, but what it does is unmask it from my own immune system so my immune system goes in and kills it. Um, so yeah, so that's, you know, that was positive because I, I mean, I had my leg amputated. I, I was eight years into the fight, I had these big tumors in my lungs, and my doctor was like, we're gonna put you on chemo. And I'm like, is it gonna save my life? He was like, well, maybe not, but it might buy you some more time. And I'm like, you know, if the outcome's gonna be the same, I'm not sure I really want to go through all this. So,

Paul G Newton:

it and go on

Terry Tucker:

yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, I, I'm like, okay, you know, and, but you know, it is funny. Kind of funny. I went home and I said, look, I'll talk my, I'll talk to my, my family about it. So I go home and it's just my wife and daughter and I, and. You know, I start telling him, my daughter's like, all right, we need a family meeting. I'm like, family meeting, there's three of us. It's not like we got a board here or something like that, you know?

Paul G Newton:

the ghosts from the past.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah. So we, we sit around the kitchen table talking about, you know, how they feel about me having chemo. And then when we're done with that, my daughter's like, all right, uh, let's take a vote. How many people want dad to have chemotherapy? And my wife and daughter raised their hand. I'm like, wait a minute. Am I getting out voted for, you know, something that I don't wanna do. But I remember when I was back in the police academy, our defensive tactics instructor used to have us bring a photograph of the people that we love the most to class. And as we were learning different techniques to defend ourselves, we would look at that photograph because he reasoned, you'll fight harder for the people you love than you'll fight for yourself. So I ended up taking chemo. It ended up being the right decision because it was a, a bridge to this drug that I've been on now for two and a half years. And, uh, you know, it, it was the right thing to do.

Paul G Newton:

Wow.

Andrea:

Is your, are you getting any better? I mean, is the tumors getting any smaller or,

Terry Tucker:

Initially they did, but probably for the last 18 months, they've just stabilized. They're not, they're not getting any bigger, but they're, they're not going away. They're not getting any smaller, they're, they were, they're gonna keep me on the drug. Um, it's a clinical trial, so it's a study. Uh, the, the study is gonna end this summer, and when it does, they're gonna put me on They're gonna put me on a single person study. Um,

Paul G Newton:

That's a good way to get around it.

Terry Tucker:

yeah, and, and see where it, see where it takes me. But it, it beats the heck outta me. I mean, I am, I am sick as a dog all week. And even, even now, I,

Paul G Newton:

you sound like you have a good attitude about it all though,

Terry Tucker:

I do. I I absolutely do. I, I mean, I, I, you know, I, I go every day. I, I have all these stupid dad jokes that I tell people, you know, just to, I mean, it's just a way to try to make it fun, you know, and, and do the best you can with the really kind of, Kind of horrible circumstance. So yeah, I, I try to have a good attitude with it.

Paul G Newton:

Wow.

Andrea:

That's good. Cuz not a lot of people do. I mean, I. I used to wear icu and sometimes you could tell that it would be like, the patients are just like, I, I just want to go. And then the family doesn't want them to, and there's always that family type dynamic. So at least you guys are all kind of coming together as one. I think that's

Paul G Newton:

great. So you've got like four truths that you kind of live by.

Terry Tucker:

I do the four truths. Uh, and these are things, I mean, I think the first one I learned when I was young, but I think the last three and, and kind of putting them together in, in what I call my four truths are, are definitely things I've learned over these last 11 years.

Paul G Newton:

I know my for truths really don't help anybody.

Terry Tucker:

What are your for truths?

Paul G Newton:

um, don't give a shit, drink a lot of booze, have a good time and fuck it. And that's really it. That's pretty much One in one in four are very similar, but they have a different connot. Just hand

Andrea:

what are your four truths? I'm sure they're way more poignant than Paul

Terry Tucker:

You should write those down and write a book. You know, I mean

Paul G Newton:

The Four Truths of Life. Fuck it. Really? It only boils down to number four. Oh my gosh. Sorry about that. Go ahead.

Terry Tucker:

No, that's okay. Hey, I need a drink too, but mine's just water, so,

Paul G Newton:

Oh, I had like two shots before I got on the knee.

Terry Tucker:

okay, good.

Paul G Newton:

I said two minutes, and that meant two shots.

Terry Tucker:

You gotta clear the mind. You know You're good.

Paul G Newton:

God, it was awful. That rum. Ugh. I don't wanna do anymore of that. Something stronger and less tasty.

Terry Tucker:

Vodka.

Paul G Newton:

Yes. Vodka. See that one? No, he's listening to the show. He knows. He knows my vodka fund is empty at the moment.

Andrea:

Christmas is over. So there's no Nutcracker fund.

Paul G Newton:

Yes, please don't crack nuts. I, I, I mean, I, I I really don't wanna be a dad, but I also don't want crack nuts. Oh my God. What? Oh, you're talking about No, right. Sorry. So four truths. So you have four truths to guide, uh, the, to guide, uh, the in in your disease and life, I guess is what you were saying.

Terry Tucker:

Pretty much. Yeah. And, and here they are. So, first one, control your mind or your mind is gonna control you.

Paul G Newton:

in, garbage out.

Terry Tucker:

There you go. Second one, embrace the pain and the difficulty that we all experience in life, and use that pain and difficulty to make you a stronger and more determined individual. Number three is kind of a legacy type of truth, and it's what you leave behind is what you weave in the hearts of other people. And then the last one, kind of self-explanatory. As long as you don't quit, you can never be defeated. The four truths

Andrea:

Those are nice. Those, I mean, those should be things that mean,

Paul G Newton:

I do know that you don't wanna follow behind me especially after taco night. Oh my God. Stop.

Andrea:

Your poor Trus is something I probably should be like preaching to my kids as they get ready to graduate high school and going to the, the, the world of being an adult.

Terry Tucker:

adulting.

Andrea:

Adulting.

Paul G Newton:

Yeah. I don't adult unless I have to. I refuse

Terry Tucker:

Lot of people in the world don't

Paul G Newton:

It's true to that. My level of have to is a lot easier to attain than most, so I have to all the time. But I try to not adult if I can.

Andrea:

Well, sometimes you have to pay bills. You know, you gotta eat and have a place to sleep. You know, my dad wanted me to rob a bank. He did not want you to rob a bank. He told you to go to a bank if you want a truck. Not Rob

Paul G Newton:

I'm like, the hell else am I gonna get the money out of him?

Andrea:

So what else crazy things have you done? I think

Terry Tucker:

What other crazy things have I done? So

Paul G Newton:

we're not talking about your college years

Terry Tucker:

Well, I, I have to tell you my calendar. Because I, you can't tell this from looking at me. And, and it certainly is much more difficult now that I'm in a wheelchair, but I am six foot eight inches tall when stand on the one leg that I have. So, um, and I did play college basketball, uh, and I had the distinct pleasure of playing against Michael Jordan when he was a freshman at North Carolina. Yes. And kind of a, kind of a funny story. My youngest brother is a basketball coach in Chicago and coached Michael Jordan's, two sons. And he tells the story, he said, one day I'm at practice and it's toward the end of practice and I'm teaching the players a drill and I look up and nobody's paying attention to me at all. said, so I look where they were looking, and he said Jordan had come into the gym as a dad to pick his kids up after practice to take 'em. And so my brother looked at him and said, Hey, Michael, you know, you're a little bit of a distraction. Would you mind stepping out on the hall until practice is over? And Jordan and his wife were incredibly gracious people. They, they, they did not try to coach the team or anything like that. And he was like, sure, coach, no problem. I'm really sorry. I'll wait out in the hall until practice is over. My brother thought later, I'm probably the only coach in the history of basketball that ever kicked Michael Jordan outta So,

Paul G Newton:

I would put that on a plaque and hang it in the, in the office. I kicked. And for all the parents who come by want to be the sideline coach, I'd put that up there. you think you're important. I kicked Michael Jackson, Jordan. Michael Jordan. Michael Dokey. I mean, he would've kicked Michael Jackson out too. Cause it'd been just as, as much of a distraction. I mean, he would, I kicked Michael Jordan out.

Andrea:

Well, all the little kids are like in awe. I mean, yeah. I feel kind of bad for his kids cuz they're probably like, oh God, everybody's ogling over Dad. You

Paul G Newton:

know, .That's why I didn't have kids. I didn't want him to feel that way.

Terry Tucker:

Well, it was always fun because the, the, the parents on the team used to rotate the pre-game meal, and when it was the Jordan's turn, they would have everybody over to the, the compound, you know, and, and they had a big spread in the indoor gym and all that stuff. So my brother's actually been to Michael Jordan's house too, so, I

Paul G Newton:

oh wow. I mean, he MAs what, 40 million a year? Something like

paul_g_newton:

that.

Andrea:

Can you imagine the pressure though, of how he could afford his kids?

Terry Tucker:

I, I mean, my brother's, I mean, he is in the Hall of Fame and all that kind of stuff, so I, I mean, he, he's a really good coach

Paul G Newton:

Oh, your brother's in the Hall of Fame.

Terry Tucker:

yeah, the Illinois Basketball Hall of Fame. I mean, I don't know that 75 cents will get you on a bus, I think. But

Paul G Newton:

Um, it's dollar 50 now, I think,

Terry Tucker:

is it, oh, sorry. You know,

Paul G Newton:

inflation. Yeah. uh,

Andrea:

so you were really big into sports growing up and what what led you from one thing to another? You said you coached your, um, daughter's basketball, is that correct? Did I hear you before we came on? Is that correct?

Terry Tucker:

I did, I did coach my, my daughter's basketball team. My daughter played at the Air Force Academy.

Paul G Newton:

And you worked for Wendy's.

Terry Tucker:

I did that too.

Paul G Newton:

What were you at Wendy's And now? And now If it was a flipping burgers, I wouldn't ask this question. I'd be like, now we just wanna talk about

Terry Tucker:

although I did, I did once, once, uh, once a year for a week. Everybody who worked at corporate had to go into a store and flip burgers

Paul G Newton:

God, the employees probably hated that.

Terry Tucker:

Oh, they did. They did. I remember, I remember one day I was, I was making burgers and, and I was pulling buns out of the, the warmer that was a above where we made the station, where we made the burger. And I, and I, the buns were hard. They were like hockey. and I, and I threw it away and I grabbed another one and I threw another, and, and I threw a whole package away and the manager came screaming over to me and it's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I threw the, I threw one of the buns on the ground. I'm like, would you eat that? I mean, it it like clanked when it hit the, you know, hit the tiles. So I'm like, I'm not serving buns to people that are hard as rocks, said no. So you give me some fresh buns, I won't throw 'em away. So yeah, fun times.

Paul G Newton:

Wow. Now, what do you think about the way Wendy's does their social media now? Oh, he's been wanting

Andrea:

to ask this

Terry Tucker:

Uh, you're gonna have to enlighten me. In all honesty,

Paul G Newton:

So on

Terry Tucker:

really.

Paul G Newton:

if you want to get burned, if you want to go in and be insulted professionally, tweet at Wendy's.

Andrea:

See, I didn't know the seed until he explained it to me this morning, and I'm like, what do you mean? I was like, most restaurants would not be like that because they want their reputation to be, you know, decent. But

Paul G Newton:

let's just see what they post. Oh, he's gonna look up on Twitter. So, so what Wendy's will, will, they'll roast you if you, if you're, they don't re roast everybody.

Terry Tucker:

Maybe it's a new menu item they're looking

Paul G Newton:

Ah, .They'll me do it for years actually. Um, It's always just, I was just wondering if you knew anything about it. Cause that's, that's, I'd like to see the inside of that, what those guys actually do. It's

Andrea:

probably like three young people sitting behind a desk, probably tired of what people commenting on something wasn't fast enough. And

Paul G Newton:

they probably, if they needs a sarcastic person, they need to give me their Twitter credentials and a check for 80 grand a year. And I will make every one of their customers cry. That's, you

Andrea:

won't have customers

Paul G Newton:

if you make them cry. they do that though. Uh, oh my

Terry Tucker:

I mean, they, you know, the guy who started Wendy's, his guy by the name of Dave Thomas, he was an orphan. Uh, I, I had the opportunity to meet him several times. A super guy, a very personable guy, a very outgoing guy. Somebody who cared about people. And I mean, if they're doing, I, I, you know, I always kind of look at things like, well, what would the founder have, have thought, you know, I mean, Would he be turning over in his grave? Would he be like, yeah, I'm proud of the way things have turned out? I, I don't know. I I mean, Dave was the kind of guy that, I mean he really, I'm not sure you would've liked him, Paul, cuz he was totally alcohol prohibitive. I mean, parties.

Paul G Newton:

it was the way it was back then. He was, He was, Colonel Sanders, um, pre protege for a while, wouldn't he?

Terry Tucker:

Yes, yes. Lin Sanders. Yes. Interestingly about Colonel Sanders, you think about, you know, purposes in life. Colonel Sanders didn't start Kentucky Fried Chicken until he was like 65 years old.

Paul G Newton:

Really? Yeah. Him and then Dave Thomas, is that right? Dave Thomas, right? Mm-hmm..Yeah. He was, he, he was on there with them, and he he rose to the top and I, I don't know if they got crossways or if Dave just wanted to do his own thing and he left Kentucky Fried Chicken and started Wendy's.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah. And, and it's funny cuz Wendy's is, is named after his daughter. And, and, and the funny thing about it is his daughter's real name is Melinda Lou, but nobody could say that, and that certainly wouldn't look good on a menu board. So they just went with Wendy and that. So

Paul G Newton:

to Melinda Lose. You'd everybody'd have to talk like that. You know that All

Andrea:

I wish is Wendy's had more gluten-free options cuz I cannot have gluten. And every time I go to any of those stores and say no bun, they look at me like I have four eyeballs. Cuz I don't want, I don't

Paul G Newton:

wanna bun. And I'm like, you know, oh my God. They have a purple shake covered in nerds. Oh my God. Everybody loves nerds

Terry Tucker:

There you

Paul G Newton:

with United States has the highest obesity rate of all first world countries. Well, it's because we have Wendy's, mostly

Andrea:

McDonald's, burger

Terry Tucker:

We have.

Paul G Newton:

Wendy's has the most calories out of everything, but they have the best fries. The only, the only thing that's got more calories in it is the Burger King B. those croissant sandwiches things, they're like, they get like a half pound of meat in it.

Terry Tucker:

Well, the croissants are loaded with calories, just not themselves. So yeah,

Paul G Newton:

I'm trying to find where they burned. Some people, they may have cut 'em back a little bit.

Andrea:

All I know is is I'm like, I wish you guys had gluten-free buns besides Chick-fil-A.

Paul G Newton:

I'll say, here's a burn on McDonald's. They said walking outside after they say the ice cream ice cream machine broke and it's a really ragged looking raccoon. That's a burn on McDonald's right there.

Andrea:

Yeah. Their ice cream machines are always down.

Paul G Newton:

At least McDonald. There's a conspiracy in the, here's a whole documentary on the ice cream machines at McDonald's. They're always broken. Have you seen that?

Terry Tucker:

I have not.

Paul G Newton:

Wow. It's really interest.

Andrea:

So what led you from like basketball coach to Wendy's to swat to, you just kept reinventing yourself. It's actually kind of, well, he went to the Citadel. I mean, real citadel. I mean like what did, you've done some really interesting stuff.

Terry Tucker:

So I, I'll give you the backstory. So yeah, if you look at my resume, I, I spent, you know, my, my first job outta college was in marketing at Wendy's, and then I became a hospital administrator, and then I made the pivot to get into law enforcement. And here's the backstory. So my grandfather was a Chicago police officer from 1924 to 1954. So he was in Chicago during prohibition when alcohol was outlawed in the United States during the Great Depression, the late twenties, early thirties. And when the gangs Al Capone and those guys were shooting up the town, And he was actually shot in the line of duty with his own gun. He was taking a homicide suspect. It was not a serious injury. He was shot in the ankle. But my dad was an infant and my dad always remembered the stories my grandmother told of that, knock on the door of Mr. Tucker, grab your son, come with us. Your husband's been shot. And let's face it, trauma medicine in 1933 is a whole lot different than trauma medicine today. So when I express,

Paul G Newton:

That's all they did.

Terry Tucker:

yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it. So when I expressed an interest in going into law enforcement, my father was absolutely not. You're gonna go to college, you're gonna major in business, you're gonna get out and get a great job, get married, have 2.4 kids, and live happily ever after. But that's what my father wanted me to do. And when I graduated from college, he was dying of cancer. So I had a choice. You know, I could've said, sorry, dad, I'm gonna go blaze my own trail and go into law enforcement or out of love and respect for you. I will do what you want me to do. And so that's what I did. So my resume makes a little more sense when you understand that my first two jobs were in business because of my dad. And then I sort of joke, I did what every good son did. I waited till my father passed away, and then I followed my own dreams of getting into law enforcement.

Andrea:

He's not laughing. He found his really goofy, mean

Paul G Newton:

no, I thought it was funny. I waited jail with my father passed away. I mean, he's telling the joke. You know that, right?

Andrea:

Well, I'm thinking like some, some kids probably, I mean, really do that. All right.

Paul G Newton:

I mean my father would, Andrea's not really having the best humor day today.

Andrea:

I'm looking at this thing that you're looking on the screen of this blue looking girl with red hair giggling. It's supposed to be a Wendy suite.

Paul G Newton:

It's, yeah. Yeah, it's it. I'm on their Wendy's tweet Little miss. I'm sure this don't mean I'm sarcastic. This is July 20th, 2022. They haven't posted hardly anything lately. They might. Maybe they got in trouble. It's interesting. I was looking for some of their mean tweets cuz they have some really good mean tweets. It's, they're, they're like the Donald Trump of restaurants, mean tweets. They're talking about Covid, This, I, I'm trying to find 'em. It's like they're gone. Hmm. You know? So what was, what would, what did you do at Wendy's? Again, remind me, I, I've, I, I've, I've gone on this Wendy's trip and now I've lost track.

Terry Tucker:

So I started out in field marketing, but where I spent most of my time was in new product marketing. So, We were looking at all kinds of new things. Kind of, I'll give you a funny story. At one time we were testing hotdogs. We almost rolled out hotdog systemwide

Paul G Newton:

Sounds

Terry Tucker:

but actually it was pretty good. And, and I don't like hotdogs, but they had a, they had a piece of equipment that was called the three w r and three w r stood for Wendy's. Wonderful. Wiener Roller

Paul G Newton:

No

Terry Tucker:

Seriously, that's what, that's, I mean, that's really what it was called,

Paul G Newton:

want one of these wiener rollers?

Terry Tucker:

well, yeah, exactly. You know, rolled the hotdog forward and backwards, so it kept, kind of, kept it at a different, or at

Paul G Newton:

the temperature. correct or you make everybody

Andrea:

dead. What? Kaibosh the deal or Kaibosh that not going out?

Terry Tucker:

Um, the thing you gotta understand when you, when you put a new product in the, into the store, you're gonna cannibalize another product. So if, you know, if you go in to buy a single, oh, they're, you got hot dogs, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna buy a hot dog instead of a single, it cannibalize too much of the, uh, the hamburger business. So they decided not to roll it out. So,

Andrea:

So hook like people, like do you guys sit in a room and be like, Hmm, what new product? Could we come for Wendy's? And then y'all get together and create it? Or does someone who's a chef comes in and says, I have a wonderful idea for how to put together something new for the menu. I mean, how does that work?

Terry Tucker:

Well that was the great part about working at corporate because there was a kitchen and they were always looking, they're always testing new stuff. I mean, it could have been. Could have been ketchup, it could have been, you know, a new bun. It could have been, you know, I mean, it could have been a day, you know, breakfast or salads or something like that. And so, and I knew the girl actually dated the girl who would walk around. The woman who would walk around and say, Hey, you know, can you come at 1130 and we'll, we're testing something. I'm like, yeah, sure. And you never knew what it was. I mean, they'd slide, you know, literally you were in a booth and a door would open and they would slide something at you. It could have been a hamburger and, and you could eat the whole hamburger, but you, you didn't know what they were testing. It could have been the bun, could have been the meat, could have been the, the mustard catch. It could have been whatever it was. And then you got to rate, yeah, you got to rate whatever it was. So, you know, if you didn't have lunch plans that day

Paul G Newton:

terrifying.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah. Didn't have lunch plans that day, that was a great way to, Hey, I forgot my lunch today, so I'm gonna, yeah. It's like, Kath, uh, what, what can I taste today? So,

Paul G Newton:

Oh wow.

Terry Tucker:

So, yeah, so once, once those kind of things. And then we would do focus groups. I, I, I'll give you another ugly story. We, we, we tested a beef nugget and it tasted unbelievably great. It looked like . There you go. I mean, exactly what,

Paul G Newton:

laughing at this deal. They, they, they, Aflac, Aflac Twitter page asked Wendy's to roast him and so Wendy said, okay. And put up a picture of a roast duck,

Andrea:

National Roast Steak. Yeah.

Paul G Newton:

Oh. It's like, oh, that hurt

Terry Tucker:

that's good

Paul G Newton:

That's pretty Holiday Inn Express. They've tweeted at Wendy's and said, make it quick. And Wendy is replied with, said everyone that's been to a Holiday Inn. Oh, it's natural. Roast

Andrea:

Hashtag National

Paul G Newton:

Roast thing. Make it quick. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. Oh wow. This poor kid.

Andrea:

This poor kid. Yeah. Roast me.

Paul G Newton:

W he's the, there's a kid, he's, you know, just a normal kind of normal teenager. Kind of lanky, barely has a beard. Teenager guy. Yeah. Said, roast me. And then said that time Dobby dressed up as Ron Weasley. Ouch. But yeah, TWI, that's why I wanted to ask you about Wendy's is because, oh my God, their, their marketing is so crazy right now and they're

Terry Tucker:

See, I dunno if you guys, you guys probably aren't old enough to remember CLA and where's the beef?

Paul G Newton:

Yes, I do remember that. Yeah.

Terry Tucker:

Well I was there when that happened. When they were, when that was going on and stuff. So that was, where's the beef? Like an 80, 85 year old former hairdresser from Chicago who basically became almost, you know, a rockstar. No, not here. And she was about two, two, I I mean, she was,

Paul G Newton:

she was. really short. So for you, you just had to make sure you didn't step on her.

Terry Tucker:

I did. Exactly. It's like there's some on the bottom of my shoe. So yeah.

Paul G Newton:

Oh my God. So you moved. So, but wait, the Citadel explain to me, a lot of people may not know what the Citadel is. I wanna know what that is.

Terry Tucker:

the Citadel is the Military College of South Carolina. Um, and it's very similar. It's similar to West Point or Annapolis or the, or the Naval or, uh, the

Paul G Newton:

have been clue number one to your father, that you wanted to be a cop.

Terry Tucker:

It should have been, but I, I'll be honest with you, I, I turned down Coach K Mike Zeki when he was at West Point. Who offered me a scholarship to come and play for him at West Point. And I said, no, but I still ended up going to the Citadel. So,

Paul G Newton:

Well, the

Terry Tucker:

I also had three knee surgeries in high school,

Paul G Newton:

What's the, what's the difference between the Citadel and, and the other one? There's only two war colleges, you know?

Terry Tucker:

well, there's, there's West Point, there's the Air Force Academy and there's the, the Naval Academy in at Annapolis. Uh, those three are, you know, those are the branches of the military. You go there, if you graduate from there, you have a commitment to go into the military. The Citadel vmi, Virginia Military Institute, Texas a and M's. Core Cadets, those are all places where you can go and get a military education. But you are, you do not have to go into the military when you graduate. So,

Paul G Newton:

gotta pay for it if you don't go in the military.

Terry Tucker:

well, I got a scholarship to play basketball there, so I didn't have to pay for it, but yes, you, yeah.

Andrea:

So that's like getting degree in like in military history or, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah.

Paul G Newton:

What is that? What the, what's the Citadel cover?

Terry Tucker:

uh, E everything. I mean, they have a tremendous engineering school. Um, I, I got a business administration degree. They have an, they had an education program. They've really expanded l uh, recently. I mean, they, they even have, they have a nursing program now. They have, they have a much more in-depth, um, master's degree program, things like that. You know, physical education degrees, you know, I, I mean, pretty much anything you can get at a, at a college, you can get at the cville now.

Paul G Newton:

Oh, even you said you, you graduated in 84, 82 cuz you were, I was looking here, uh, answering with a loud 84. What were you in your little bio here that you

Terry Tucker:

So that, that was, we were the 84th recruit class in the Cincinnati Police Academy.

Paul G Newton:

Oh, I misread it. I'm sorry. I'm trying to glance at it here while we're talking.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah. So,

Paul G Newton:

police academy. So we went, so we went to the Citadel

Terry Tucker:

right?

Paul G Newton:

then, and Ned was 82. Right

Terry Tucker:

Correct.

Paul G Newton:

when that's when you graduated, did. you get a big ring or something like that?

Terry Tucker:

I do. Unfortunately, I don't have it on right now, but yes, the Citadel has a, a college ring that has more gold than any gold in any other college ring in the United States.

Paul G Newton:

that's why your tuition is so, so expensive.

Terry Tucker:

Exactly.

Paul G Newton:

got a baby for the damn rings. Um, and then you went from that to going to the Chicago Police Department.

Terry Tucker:

No, I went from that to going to Wendy's, so that was my first job outta college, and then I became a hospital administrator and I met my wife there. We moved to California, became a customer service manager for an academic publishing company out there, and became a reserve police officer with the city of Santa Barbara. Which was not too hard of a job. Well, yes. I mean, it was, but it was still a great place. And then our daughter was born and we moved back to the Midwest because we had no support at all out in California. And I, we moved back to Cincinnati and I decided to be a police officer full-time in Cincinnati.

Paul G Newton:

You did this in two years.

Terry Tucker:

Uh, no. No. I, no, no. Uh,

Paul G Newton:

figure this out on the timeline because I'm trying to figure out where the 84 picks in.

Terry Tucker:

so the, the 84 was the 84th recruit class in, in the Cincinnati

Paul G Newton:

Oh, not

Terry Tucker:

Yeah. It doesn't have anything to do with 1984.

Paul G Newton:

I'm just an idiot.

Terry Tucker:

I thought you were going, George Orwellian

Paul G Newton:

Oh, it's 1984. Don't you know that I'm watching? I'm listening to everything you say.

Andrea:

Well, it's called Siri, so Yeah, they probably are.

Paul G Newton:

Well, no, I mean, I'm recording him right now, so I mean, that's tomorrow. I won't be, What

Andrea:

not the I'm just thinking hospital administrator. So what did you do? Were you like, like the top cheese or were you

Paul G Newton:

like, did they serve cheese? Well,

Andrea:

I say the top cheese, meaning the CEO was the top cheese, but I know what

Terry Tucker:

No, no, I was, I was way down on the totem pole there. Uh, I, I, because I had that background in, in new product development at Wendy's, the hospital, it was a fairly large hospital. It was 1100 beds, 5,000 employees. And so I was brought over there to work on developing new products and new, new services. So it was kind of a, it was, it was more, I was the conduit between, you know, the say, radiology and finance and marketing and, and kind of we're gonna pull this together. Does it make sense to implement this? Yes, no.

Paul G Newton:

I can think of is, is somebody we have a new, they're giving the new product demonstration to the board of the hospital. It's like, well, we've thought about this really long and hard and what we've figured out is a procedure that adds a nose to your arm, and we think people will really like that. It's a new product. This is not quite how this works,

Terry Tucker:

There's some ethical issues there. I'm sure

Paul G Newton:

Hey, you could smell around corners, Oh my gosh.

Andrea:

People would be like,

Paul G Newton:

whoa. Next

Terry Tucker:

yeah, we're bored, was fairly sophisticated, so, uh, yeah. I don't think they would've gone for

Andrea:

a beautiful roof for you on the psychiatric floor.

Paul G Newton:

Can I get, can I get a nose on both arms? Oh my God. I'll be glad to go. You need to be committed at that point. So now, uh, are you, you running a website in books and stuff like that too, right?

Terry Tucker:

I did, I wrote a book. I didn't have anything to do after I had my leg amputated, so I figured I'd might as well write a book. You know, I was just hanging around doing nothing. Um, so yeah, so I, I, I, I wrote a book, uh, literally between the time I had my leg amputated and the time I started chemo for the, the tumors in my lungs. And, uh, that was in 2020 and have been basically doing podcasts, like I say, for pretty much since 2020 I've been dealing with, you know, either chemo or this clinical trial. And so every three weeks I'm at the hospital for an entire week getting treated, and then I get two weeks off to try to recover and get my blood counts back and all that kind of fun stuff. And during that time, I am guests on podcasts with nice people like you. And you know, we try to laugh and have fun. Just have a good

Paul G Newton:

he he called

Andrea:

me. Nice. I'm just thinking 2020 in the middle of Covid happened to be sick like that. Gosh, that had to have been scary.

Terry Tucker:

Well, I, I'll tell you, it happened in my leg amputated. I was, uh, I was the only surgery that, of that, that day. My, actually, my orthopedic surgeon had to get special permission to actually do the surgery. I'd had a tumor that had grown large enough that it fractured my tibia. So I had a broken leg from the cancer, and I, I was not allowed to have anyone with me Say that again.

Paul G Newton:

it like grapefruit size?

Terry Tucker:

It was huge. It was in my ankle, my ankle area. And I mean, they, they thought it was a hematoma. Uh, it ended up being a tumor

Paul G Newton:

It's not a touma.

Terry Tucker:

you know, it's anum. Yeah. No, don't.

Paul G Newton:

just thinking My

Andrea:

gosh. Because I mean, COVID kindergarten cop was scary. Even for healthy people, much less anybody that was like, I was

Paul G Newton:

never scared of any of that stuff.

Andrea:

Well, in the healthcare, as much as we saw and heard, we all were kind of scared. I guess

Terry Tucker:

Oh, it, it was, I mean, my, my wife literally dropped me off at the hospital that morning. I could not have anybody with me. Um,

Paul G Newton:

anybody with you. I know he couldn't.

Terry Tucker:

no. I mean, I was supposed to be in the hospital for two weeks, you know, to get PT and OT and all that. I was in a hospital, they cut my leg off. I was home in 48

Paul G Newton:

yeah. They don't have anybody due to the PT for you because they're all sent home.

Terry Tucker:

yeah, no, I had, I had nobody, but I mean, also was like, you know, you, you need to make the ho the house in a, in a way that I can get around where I'm not tripping. And, you know, cuz hey, only one leg. Sorry. You know?

Paul G Newton:

Bleeding out in the middle of the living room when no one's around

Terry Tucker:

Yeah. It, it was, it definitely was scary. I would not want to do it.

Paul G Newton:

that, uh, to heal up where you don't bleed all the time. Uh,

Andrea:

I don't know what they did with you, but they probably use what? Uh, the either Staples, staples, or Glue. I call it glue, but it's,

Paul G Newton:

yeah. Gorilla Glue. We use the gorilla GU glue. It's, it's not

Terry Tucker:

he did not use.

Andrea:

People have actually done that. Do not promote that on here. Cuz I've seen it in the ER and people are like, well my kid got his eyebrow cut. So we just put some gorilla glue on it. I'm trying to hold a straight face going, you idiot.

Paul G Newton:

What's that stuff where they taped the car together, rolled it off a hill? You could use that. It's like a, it's like a vinyl cast kind of thing. Oh God no.

Andrea:

Don't give anybody

Paul G Newton:

suggestions on that. You break your ankle. Just put that, wrap that dude up in that third tape.

Andrea:

Go to the emergency room. Do not put any type of adhesive on your own wounds. Sorry. I've just seen people worry it, it got

Paul G Newton:

no, I'm making fun of it because the people that do that are stupid

Andrea:

So sitting there thinking they probably sent you home with what? That type of clear glue

Terry Tucker:

Actually he used, he used just, um, uh, regular stitches, which he, he, he felt was better for that. I did, I had all the lymph nodes in my groin taken out, and I had 40, 40 staples in my groin. I'll tell you, talk about something that hurt. That was, yeah, that was,

Paul G Newton:

If anybody deserved to be hooked, hooked on Fentanyl. That's you.

Terry Tucker:

yeah. Yeah. My, I think I pissed my, my surgeon off and she was like, I'll show you. We're gonna use

Paul G Newton:

Stay home all the way. Little did you know when you went to the Citadel, you stood her up that one night? Oh my God.

Terry Tucker:

It's funny, I did have a girlfriend at the Citadel who is a doctor now, but not a surgeon, so,

Paul G Newton:

No, she's just, you know, revenge by proxy. Revenge. That's all revenge by. Oh my gosh. So tell us a bit more about your book that you got.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah, the book is called Sustainable Excellence, the 10 Principles to Leading Your Uncommon and Extraordinary Life. And it, it's really a book that was born outta two conversations. I had, one was with a former player that I had coached in high school and moved to Colorado where my wife and I live, uh, with her fiance. And, and the four of us had dinner one night. And I remember saying to her after dinner that I was really excited that she was living close and I could watch her find and live her purpose

Paul G Newton:

Stop. Don't get, sorry.

Terry Tucker:

So she, you know, she got real quiet for a while on me and she was like, well, coach, what do you think my purpose is? I said, I have absolutely no idea what your purpose is, but that's just what your life should be about finding the reason you were put on the face of the. Using your unique gifts and talents and living that reason. So that was the first conversation. And then I had a young man in college reach out to me on social media and he said, what do you think are the most important things I should learn to not just be successful in my job and bus or in business, but to be successful in life? And I didn't wanna give him that, you know, get up early, work hard, help other, you know, I didn't want to give him that. I wanted, wanted to see if I could go a little bit deeper with him. So I took some time, eventually came up with these 10 principles, and then I sent them to 'em. And then I kind of stepped back and I was like, well, you know, I got a life story that fits underneath that principle. Or I know somebody whose life emulates this principle. So literally during that three to four month period where I was healing, after I had my leg amputated, I sat down at the computer every day and I built stories. And they're real stories about real people underneath each of the principles. And that's how sustainable excellence came to be.

Paul G Newton:

Nice. good. Very good. That is very good. I, I give Andreas kids pieces of advice from time to time. The last one I sent was to Emily. Oh gosh. Remember you said what? Minivans prevent condoms. Condoms prevent minivans. Minivans, that's right. And you know, that's good enough. That's good enough advice from me. I don't know. Dunno.

Andrea:

Listen this to my 19 year old son, and he's like, mom, stop. He's like, well, remember that you're

Paul G Newton:

19. Well, you seem to be, have a really, really good attitude for having these things happen to you. And you're not got the typical cop attitude, which is kind of, sometimes it's, sometimes cops can be a little too serious, you

Terry Tucker:

Yes, yes,

Andrea:

but

Terry Tucker:

I

Andrea:

they go see you through every day, they kind of have to be, I did. You don't have to be anything like that. Well, I don't blame the nurses the same way too. We get kind of cynical about stuff. We're like, eh, as long as you're not bleeding to death. I mean, you know, because I mean, it's, you see so much You get kind of, I don't wanna say you

Paul G Newton:

get tuned out. Wait, you were gonna share a story that you talked about sharing a story before we

Andrea:

started? I don't really wanna share this story, but I will. It's, this is when you can tell me how dumb I was from

Paul G Newton:

a cop's perspective. Oh my. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuz he's swat, swat negotiator. I, he, he would've had to been called for your incident if you hadn't have done that.

Andrea:

I worked for a rather large hospital in Dallas and um, I was in a room and there's a bunch of scuffling at the nurse's station and I was charged nurse that day and I was having a really real rather busy day. Mm-hmm. it's up to my eyeballs

Paul G Newton:

and all sorts of paperwork. And she was probably hungry too. I'm finding out. I

Andrea:

probably was too. I don't know. I'll walk out and there's this guy holding a gun up in the air and everyone's scattered to his side. And I stupidly walked up to him, twisted his arm, got the gun out of his hands, put the gun on the counter, and told him to sit his little blankety blank ass down and called security. I said, cause I'm tired of all the bullshit paperwork you're causing me, sir. And the guy, I guess was so flipped out that I was behind him and walked up on him. Cause when I walked outta the room, he was right in front of me. That, um, when the cops told me that I thought it was a fake gun, which was number one, don't ever do this. Yes. Just assume that they're real. Yes, I was. It's totally stupid what I did. Yes. But when the cops did come up there and did take away and did do all this stuff, paperwork and conversations, they told me that it was a live gun with a round in it. I got so completely, I guess, flipped out myself that I spent the next like 30 to 45 minutes puking in the bathroom because my nerves were shot. The cops knock on the door, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, Mm-hmm..He's like, okay. So I got the conversation of what I did was dumb, but at the same time it could have been worse. I guess

Paul G Newton:

that's So what's your take on something like that?

Terry Tucker:

You know, sometimes doing the unexpected just, just works, you know, and, and sometimes you're lucky and sometimes you know you're

Paul G Newton:

Well, she was in an emergency room. If she would've got hurt, she'd been, you know, ringing. They were right

Andrea:

there. I honestly was pissed off at the paperwork to had, she was just mad he was in front of me. I was like, God damn it, I don't need this today. I don't need stupid family members today. just like he was, uh, came up on his back and I grabbed his arm and twisted it and got the gun out and put it on the counter. And everyone else like scattered like r freaking

Paul G Newton:

rats,

Andrea:

And the guy just stood there and called security. He didn't move, he didn't run, he didn't nothing. He just stood there

Paul G Newton:

staring at me. He gig was up at that point,

Terry Tucker:

Well, hey there, there's, there's nothing worse than, you know, a pissed off woman to begin with. So, you know,

Andrea:

So

Terry Tucker:

I ticked her off. I'm not doing anything. Yeah,

Andrea:

just stood there and yeah, the n now the male nurses is finally like, oh I gotta do something. They're like, uh, and he just stood there. And security obviously like came up cuz they were pretty close. Yeah, well closer than

Paul G Newton:

other parts of, had a clothes lined even. I've been helping

Andrea:

you. But yeah, so yeah. that, that's my story that I don't know why he's so impressed with Really, it was, oh, when,

Paul G Newton:

when she told me that story, I'm like, oh, she's the one.

Andrea:

It was really dumb on my part. I could have gotten shot. I could have, I

Paul G Newton:

mean, yeah, but damn, the cops like, are you gonna, I don't have to worry about anybody breaking in. You're just gonna put grab my, my 45 of and just plop, plop, plop, plop, plop. They're not gonna walk out.

Andrea:

I'll never forget Lloyd, like the lady cops, like, you know what you did was not, I was like, I know it was really stupid

Paul G Newton:

but it was.

Terry Tucker:

You probably got an award for it, didn't you? Did they give you an award for disarming a armed suspect or something like

Andrea:

Oh, I got, like, the big hospital administration came up and congratulated me, but I was more embarrassed that I think they kind of let it go because I was like, I did with something really stupid. So when the active shooter thing come out, education in that facility, um,

Paul G Newton:

Andrea's book, rule number one, attack the active shooter. I

Andrea:

remember I got kind of upset and I told him, I was like, I will not pay attention to active shooter education from a guy wearing a, a suit and tie and looks like a hospital administrator. I said, I, I want real cops to come up here. Mr. GOs in there, real cops to come up here and tell us what we need to do. Yeah.

Paul G Newton:

And well, and real cops don't all don't necessarily know either. Again, Columbine and, and then you got the one down in Texas where the kid went in the, the first grade, second grade school and the cops just left and let him rampage through the school. Yeah, it's, they didn't know what to do.

Andrea:

It's really sad though, when my kids were younger, they'd have to come up to me and ask me what to do in an active shooter. I never thought that was a conversation I'd ever have with my kids. Now they're getting much older, but when they're in elementary school, I remember thinking, oh Lord,

Paul G Newton:

yeah, when you get you a gun and you practice the hell out of it, well,

Andrea:

they would have drills. And I remember I told them in these drills, you take 'em really seriously. Have your little friends take him seriously, you know? Yeah. And they would turn around and tell me, mom, we had the drill today. And so-and-so was talking and they weren't taking it seriously. And I'm like, well, you took it seriously.

Paul G Newton:

What do you, what do you think about that kind of stuff? If, if there was a point in time where we kind of took everything too far when it came to law enforcement,

Terry Tucker:

Yeah, I, I mean, what I did after I got outta law enforcement was, was I started a school security consulting business, and I used to, you know, I would train people because I had, you know, I had the SWAT background and, and stuff, and, and I would tell 'em, I'm like, look, I mean, in Cincinnati we trained every officer and, and the deal was the first four officers on scene of an active shooter would, we had a diamond formation. We would go in and, and I used to tell 'em, if you're wounded on the floor, they're going to walk over you. They're, they're not gonna help you. You, I mean, if you bleed to death, you bleed to death, but they're going to address the shooter. And, and so we're the, you know, if the shooter's down at the end of the hall and you're bleeding, they're not gonna stop and say, oh, we're gonna help you. Nope. We're gonna go address the shooter. And people were like, how can you not help me? I'm like, well, we're trying to make sure there's not more people like you in this scenario and that, but people couldn't get over how, you're not gonna stop and help me. I'm like, well, that's just the way it's gonna be. You know? I mean, we,

Paul G Newton:

of that, if, if four, if your guys stop to help someone, it takes, this is a tactic used in military and they wound, they want to wound. they want to severely wound the opponent's men. Yeah. Because for every man that's wounded on the battlefield, it takes two to three men to get him off the battlefield, and you substantially reduce the amount of force that's coming at you for every wounded soldier. Plus, on top of that, when this cat's coming down with his, whatever gun he is using, and they're not paying attention because they're trying to keep this guy from bleeding to death, he's gonna pop, pop, pop, and all those cops are dead. Yeah.

Terry Tucker:

And, and that's so, I mean, people don't like it. I, I mean, it's, I used to tell 'em, it's like, look, you, you're mandated to have x number of fire drills a year. There isn't anybody, nobody's died in a school related fire in like 70 years, but you're having, you know, eight fire drills a year and, and there's no mandatory number of, you know, active shooting drills or active shooting, uh, you know, practices that you have to do. So, you know, yeah, absolutely. Spend, I, I mean, the odds of it happening to you. Are slim to none. But at the same time, I, I mean, you know, a lot of times you just, people bring guns to school, not to hurt anybody, but they want to be a big shot or you know, look, my friends, look, I got a gun and all that kind of stuff. I mean, it gets blown outta proportion. But at the same time, you know, I mean, Andrea, you've probably seen people shot. I've certainly seen people shot. It is, it is ugly and it is, it, it's, you know, I mean, one bullet

Paul G Newton:

you have the other extreme and that's where David Koresh, he got shot in the side. He claimed that he was dying from it, but he wasn't. He was a freaking fleshman. Went through the, like the muscle. Mm-hmm. not, didn't hit any organs. He was overexaggerating, but he got shot in the side and just a little bitty hole.

Terry Tucker:

yeah.

Andrea:

know. I've seen pump some people with a shotgun and

Paul G Newton:

it's been like, yeah, it's awful. It's awful. Awful. Well, he hit somebody with my home defense rounds with my 45 that I got in there. There's not gonna be anything left. Yeah. Because it's meant to sprawl then it has a, a ballistic center. It just, the center keeps going like a bullet, but the rest of it just starts chewing up flesh. Yeah.

Andrea:

it was, that one was pretty awful with a shotgun.

Paul G Newton:

Shotguns can be bad if it's double lot triple, a lot bug. Uh, it's deadly. But if you shoot 'em with bird shot, huh?

Terry Tucker:

Or a slug. I mean, a slug will do

Paul G Newton:

yeah, you shoot 'em with bird shot, you're hitting ducks with, you might not even hurt 'em. Could just it'll just embed in the skin because there's, there's not as much velocity because there's not enough weight in those be. Hmm. They, well, they have velocity, but they don't have, what's the term? Velocity? They have the velocity, but they don't have the masks behind it to penetrate.

Terry Tucker:

Yeah.

Paul G Newton:

So if you're more than two feet, two, three feet away from somebody hit 'em with a shotgun, it might not, they, they might not even hurt 'em. Mm. I just know this guy, you're shooting double odd buck though. They ain't getting

Andrea:

up. This guy had a lot of internal injuries from

Paul G Newton:

I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The, the bigger the pellet, the worse it is. I mean, imagine double out books like what getting hit with uh, five 40 fives at once?

Terry Tucker:

double off. Uh,

Paul G Newton:

It's about 45 degrees, isn't it?

Terry Tucker:

twos. They're, they're like eight 20 twos

Paul G Newton:

Okay. They're smaller. I know there's some of 'em that are really big and I can't remember what it's called. I, I don't hunt animals because I, I don't not support it. You can do what you want. Uh, but I, you know, they got, if I want to eat a duck, they got one down there at the store. I just do that and I don't have to play with, I don't have to

Terry Tucker:

Wendy's might have that. We might be

Paul G Newton:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. that, was only for National Aflac Day

Andrea:

Now I wanna go on Twitter and look and see what else

Paul G Newton:

they've done. Yeah. So you have to go to the archives. Because it was, it was hard to find. They hadn't really done much in the past since the new year. So they, they may maybe corporates change in the structure, but I don't know. They get pretty rough

Andrea:

though. I need, I'm curious now. I wanna go

Paul G Newton:

look, that's what I was hoping that he knew about that. Cuz I would, I totally want to talk to those people. I want to get the people who make those tweets and talk to' Andrea: em. Like you all just say, okay, today you're gonna be the most nastiest tweets today you're gonna be the most roasting tweets. I would excel at that job.

Andrea:

Yeah, you would. I hate to break

Paul G Newton:

it to you. I would, I, I, you know, I'd take a pe cut

Andrea:

you'd probably be like, you'll be the one they'll have an active shooter on. I mean, someone be coming there. One to hunt you down cuz you've insulted them on Twitter,. Paul G Newton: I would, I, I would, The next insult. Oh my God. Oh yeah, LL Send He would do that. making him laugh. if only you guys can see him on camera. He's enjoying himself.

Paul G Newton:

So where can they find your book? And do you have a website that they can go and visit?

Terry Tucker:

I do, uh, the book is pretty much available anywhere you get a book online. Amazon, Barnes and No wa Apple iBooks. Uh, I do have a website, it's called motivational check.com. I, every day I put up a thought for the day. And with that thought comes a, a question about how maybe you could apply that in your life. Although after this conversation, I might change my format a little bit and, you know, maybe go with the Wendy's format and see why.

Paul G Newton:

How can I change your life?

Terry Tucker:

Yes. So, So, yeah, motivational check.com will get you to

Paul G Newton:

Okay, great. They're nice for nice. So I hope we have many more years with you on the planet, because it's very nice to have someone who's a very jovial person and can take a joke. So with

Terry Tucker:

I,

Paul G Newton:

our last guest didn't understand my humor at all.

Andrea:

Yeah. Um, your positive outlook and everything that you've done is definitely, um, inspirational.

Paul G Newton:

Yeah. He was trying to kill me with looks through the computer. He is like, what are you talking about? I don't understand. It's not,

Terry Tucker:

you must not have listened to your podcast before you got on then.

Paul G Newton:

you know, that's, that's a thing I I, I ask these people when they come on, cause I do another one called Paul G's Corner, where I just interviewed everybody and. Because, and I ask 'em all the time, did you, have you listened to the podcast? And 99% of the time is no. And then I'm like, okay. So when they haven't listened to the podcast, I do go a little easier on the guest. I don't weigh lambs too hard because that could, I mean, go into shock or something. I don't know.

Andrea:

they're probably going, who the hell are these

Paul G Newton:

people? What am I doing on this here podcast? I just wanted to sell the book. So Andrea, what have we got coming up?

Andrea:

Uh, let's see here. We've got. A clinical psychologist, which I'm kind of excited about that one. I like true crime stuff. Um, an executive coach, a person who talks about addiction and trauma. Am I missing anybody? Get

Paul G Newton:

the, we get the, the, the lady with the um, with the, um, psychology stuff. Yeah, I want to hear that. Yeah.

Andrea:

Clinical psychologist. Yeah.

Paul G Newton:

Yeah. Well, we should have Linda Sage and her on

Andrea:

at the same time. I know. I really enjoyed the conversation with Linda Sage. She was awesome to pretty much figure out that we have the same, you know, us in Britain, we all have the same creepy serial killers. You know, yeah, yeah. yeah. Nothing changes except they have a different,

Paul G Newton:

okay.

Andrea:

We're safe as Britain.

Paul G Newton:

We all kill everybody over here.

Andrea:

quiet like that. They just have a different, um,

Paul G Newton:

you wondered how I kept my fridge full of meat. Oh God. Now you knew

Andrea:

They have their own Jeffrey Dahmer. I remember. That was interesting. Yeah.

Paul G Newton:

You know, the music I was playing, I just realized that that's one of my guests from Poseys Corner. He sent me a song that he made. Oh yeah. And I couldn't, I was like, oh, shit. That's not everybody

Andrea:

get a snippet.

Paul G Newton:

Yeah. It's like, I can't play with that anymore. Well, I can, I mean, I guess he probably wouldn't care. He's like 20 years old and he may or may not be high all the time.

Andrea:

not every 20 year old tie, though. Most of 'em probably are.

Paul G Newton:

Yeah. I interviewed him and he, he's a good kid. But you know, he's also a punk rocker. Well,

Terry Tucker:

in Colorado these days, you know, so,

Paul G Newton:

That's true. The, the, the Colorado State Plant is now weed

Terry Tucker:

I heard the other day that the, the state troopers there, you know, used to be DUIs, were alcohol related. The, the majority of 'em now are weed related.

Paul G Newton:

You know, I lived in Colorado for a while and I, you know, the traffic's second worst in the country in

Terry Tucker:

I don't know. I, I lived in Houston. In Chicago, so

Paul G Newton:

Well, this is 2007, 2006, and you get on the 25 you were screwed if you get there in the wrong

Terry Tucker:

All you got is five north and south, and 70 east and west, right?

Paul G Newton:

And if you're trying to get from Parker, it's not, I worked in the tech center, which is down near, you know, it's down there in Aurora and all that other goodness. I actually went to the theater where the, that theater, the guy shot up a joint really? With the green hair. Thought he was joker or something like that. I, I don't know if I sat in that theater, but I, I went to that theater. Wow. You know, it was obviously a while back. This music's screwing with me. I want to sit there and tell you, welcome to your nightly meditations. Place your hands on your chest and breathe in deep while envisioning the stars above you, and then someone comes in and smacks you in the face.

Andrea:

I don't think that's how meditation works,

Paul G Newton:

but that'd be, that's not, wouldn't work if I was running it So anyway, I don't think we're gonna have music on the out this time. Is this really weird? Okay. I don't know. Are we done? I don't know. Are we, we've been at it for an hour. Hour 10. Find your soul.

Andrea:

Okay, now

Paul G Newton:

you're craving math as you float above your bed and watch your body rest.

Andrea:

Okay. This is just creepy.

Paul G Newton:

I told you it was creepy. That's why I was like, this is creeping me out, man. Alright. All right. I'll just play the song from the cat. All right. I appreciate you being on. Yes, thank you, Terry. You

Terry Tucker:

Paul, Andrew, thanks for having me on. I enjoyed talking with you.

Paul G Newton:

absolutely wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. And please stay on the planet longer, if you don't mind. Yes.

Terry Tucker:

I'll do my best.

Andrea:

We've really enjoyed

Paul G Newton:

talking to you. Yes, absolutely. And if you really want to help out, Andrea and I, you can do one of two things. One, send us money. You can do that or what? That's true. It'd be helpful. Okay. Or you can go on the platform that you're on, like Apple, iTunes podcast, things like that, and give us five stars and write a little review that says, I love Andrea and her sultry voice. But that asshole Paul has gotta go. You can do that and I won't mind just as long as I got the five stars, right? He's serious guys. Yeah. I don't care It's not about me. What it is about me, but I really don't care. So I don't know. What do you think? Just

Andrea:

give us a five star rating in any type of review is great. Whatever podcast platform you listen

Paul G Newton:

to. Just say, I like bananas. You could do that.

Andrea:

I'm gonna say that Paul is bananas. I don't know.

Paul G Newton:

Paul eats bananas or bananas Eat Paul. Either way. That's good. I work for a banana once, remember? Yes, I know All right. Also do, uh, we, I also do throughout the week another podcast called Paul G. Paul G's Corner. That's where Andrea puts me in the corner. So I have nothing to do. Sit here in the house by myself all week. Just stand.

Andrea:

I don't literally put him in the corner, but he stream seems to think. So

Paul G Newton:

it's Paul G's Corner. What's my house? It's my. And I interview everybody and you never know what you're gonna get. I never know what I'm gonna get. I don't do any prep work. I just put 'em on and say hello, how's it going? You know, I do a little intro for 'em. So it's kind of cool. Uh, but it's more like a radio tape radio program. So you should go and visit that and listen to it. And if you hate that just as much as this, leave it at five Stars Anyway, so I guess we've promoted everything, right? Oh, you can go to our, go to the website paul g newton.com, paul g newton.com and you can leave me an email if you want to yell at me or tell me good things at Paul G. Paul g newton.com. That's Paul g@paulgnewton.com. And on the website you can buy swag if you want. You can buy a bunch of crap and, and then send me money. Or if you could just send me money, there's a link to do that there as well. And also you can go and if you like one of my photographs, I'll frame it and send it to you. Just email me, I'll tell you how much it cost because you know I have to pay for that stuff. So, yeah. All right. That's it. Think

Andrea:

that's it. Cool.

Paul G Newton:

Bye. Bye. We done, I nailed that inch at ending. You're such a hoot. Sometimes I'm watching the time over here. Right. I nailed it. I said, I, I You finally, I've, I've figured it out how you do things.

Andrea:

Yeah. Trying to figure out when one of us is like, okay, let's wrap this up. You know, or it's, it's hard to time all this.

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